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Town Board Restricts Access to Public Records

What are they trying to hide?

Editorial by Frank Hogg 2/12/1

It started out simple enough. I wanted the un-official minutes of the meetings, as the law requires. I wasn't going to make a big deal out of it. I know this may surprise you, but sometimes, even I get tired of pointing out the wrong doings of the Town Board of Preble NY.

Several months ago I wanted to get the draft or un-official copies of the Town Board minutes. The law states that these are to be made available two weeks after the meeting. I requested this from the Town board and was told that I would have to wait until they were approved at the following Town Board meeting before I could get them. This would be 4-5 weeks or more. I remember telling them that was wrong and it was the law. But they just looked at me like I was from another planet and said no. I took a copy of the law with me over the next several meetings but something always came up and I didn't get to it. Finally last month I mentioned it again and told them it was the law. Don Armstrong (Town Board Atty.) looked bewildered as usual and the Town board didn't know quite what to do, as usual. So I just told them I would mail them a letter with the information so Don could look it up, (he being the expert in town law and all)...

Am I sounding too cynical?

Oh well, you get that way after awhile... dealing with these guys.

The first two panels below are the letter I sent to John Steger, town supervisor and the last panel is the letter he sent back to me. It appears that they now claim that the draft minutes were always available, yeah right! Truth is they can't afford to admit they were wrong for fear of a lawsuit, I guess. What is odd is that now they want a FOIL request for ANY of the minutes. No matter to me but that will make a lot of work for Jane Davenport, Town Clerk. They are still keeping that onerous $5 charge to copy a disk but that is no problem for me, it just makes them look petty as they try to keep information from the public. Remember that come election time.

Why are they making it difficult to see these public records? Are they trying to hide something? Are they just being spiteful and petty?

Look at the first line of John's letter. From the way it is written you would think that that magazine article was the first time either of them heard of the law. Also note that I never made a FOIL request for minutes. They 'used' to be available to anyone that went to the Town Hall...

 

John Steger Supervisor

Preble Town Hall

Preble NY 13141

January 23, 2001

                  RE:        YOUR REQUEST FOR INFORMATION AT THE 1/8/2001 TOWN BOARD MEETING

Dear Mr. Steger:

                  At the 1/8/2001 Town Board meeting I commented on minutes not being made available as per the FOIL law. You requested information to support my assertion that the minutes should be made available in two weeks. Enclosed is an excerpt of the FOIL law as it appears on the Department of State NYS web page at: <http://www.dos.state.ny.us/coog/foil.html>

                  This covers two issues. The first is making the minutes available within two weeks, one week for executive session. It seems clear that the current policy of Preble's Town Board is not within the law. The minutes should be made available within the one and two week timeframe.

                  The second covers charging $5 for putting minutes and other records on citizen supplied media (disks). As the actual cost of reproduction on a citizen supplied disk is zero this $5 charge also appears not to be within the law. Other agencies I deal with have a $5 charge if they supply the disk but charge nothing in I bring in my own disk.

                  Lastly I would recommend reading the section on executive session and also what constitutes a meeting.

                  Please advise me on your decision regarding these matters.

Sincerely,

Frank Hogg

P.O. Box 573

Tully, NY 13159

 

Excerpts from the Freedom of Information Law web page of the NYS DOS.

What is a meeting?

         The term "meeting" is defined as "the official convening of a public body for the purpose of conducting public business." As such, when a quorum (a majority of the membership of a public body) gathers for the purpose of discussing public business, the meeting must be convened open to the public, whether or not there is an intent to take action and regardless of the manner in which the gathering may be characterized.

I attended a meeting; and the public body closed the meeting to the public, citing "personnel matters." Is this legal?

         The Law provides for closed or "executive" sessions under certain circumstances prescribed in the Law. It is noted that an executive session is not separate from an open meeting but rather is a portion of an open meeting during which the public may be excluded. The Law requires that a public body take several steps to close the meeting. First, a motion must be made during an open meeting to enter into executive session; second, the motion must identify the general area or areas of the subject or subjects to be considered; and third, the motion must be carried by a majority vote of the total membership of a public body.

         Citing "personnel matters" is not a sufficient ground for going into an executive session. The motion to go into executive session should be more specific. For example, a motion could be made to enter into executive session to discuss "the employment history of a particular person." The person would not have to be identified.

         It is important to point out that a public body cannot vote to appropriate public monies during a closed session. Therefore, although most public bodies (except school boards in most instances) may vote during a properly convened executive session, any vote to expend public monies must be taken in public.

         The Law also states that an executive session can be attended by members of the public body and any other persons authorized by the public body.

I requested minutes of a town board meeting and was told that I could not have them until they were approved. Is this right?

         No. The Law states that minutes of open meetings must be made available within two weeks of the meeting; minutes of executive sessions must be made available within one week of the executive session. It has been suggested that if the minutes have not been approved, they may be marked "draft," "unapproved," or "non-final" when they are disclosed.

Do I contact the Committee on Open Government to get public records?

         The Committee does not maintain records generally. To obtain records, you must contact the agency that you believe maintains possession of the records. For example, if you are interested in obtaining minutes of a school board meeting, your request should be made to the school district.

         A request should be directed to the "records access officer" of the agency, the person having the duty of coordinating an agency's response to a request. The request should reasonably describe the records sought, and you should provide sufficient detail to enable agency staff to locate the records.

What records are available?

         All records are available, unless an exception permits an agency to deny access. Most of the exceptions are based upon common sense and the potential for harm that would arise by means of disclosure. If disclosure of records would be damaging to an individual or preclude a government agency from carrying out its duties, it is likely that some aspects of the records may be withheld.

How much can I be charged for public records?

         An agency may charge up to 25 cents per photocopy not in excess of 9 by 14 inches, or in the case of records that cannot be photocopied, the actual cost of reproduction (for example, photographs, computer disks, tape recordings, etc.), unless otherwise prescribed by statute. An agency cannot charge for search or clerical time.

Can I inspect records instead of paying the fees?

         Yes. Any person has the right to inspect accessible records at no charge. However, there may be situations in which some aspects of a record—but not the entire record—may be properly withheld. In that event, an applicant would not have the right to inspect the record. However, the agency may prepare a redacted copy and charge the established fee.

Does the Freedom of Information Law apply to computer records?

         Yes. The term "record" is defined to include all information kept, held, filed, produced or reproduced by, with or for an agency, in any physical form whatsoever. Therefore, the Freedom of Information Law clearly applies to government records generated, received, or maintained electronically.

 

TOWN OF PREBLE

1968 PREBLE ROAD

P.O. BOX 234

PREBLE, NY 13141

Telephone No. 607‑749‑3199

Fax No. 607‑749‑2377

January 29, 2001

Frank Hogg

P.O. Box 573

1954 Pirates Cove

Tully, NY 13159

RE: Availability of Town Board minutes

Dear Mr. Hogg:

Thank you for responding to my request regarding the above. This situation was also addressed in the Town Topics magazine this past month of which both myself and Town Attorney have reviewed and discussed.

The Town Board "unapproved" minutes have been available for Town Board members and public review within two (2) weeks after each meeting provided by the Town Clerk. Any changes or amendments are addressed during the next monthly meeting to become "official" minutes.

The "unapproved" minutes may be publicly reviewed at the Town Hall during the Town Clerk's scheduled office hours after the original draft is completed as she is the records access officer.

Copies of the above may be accomplished upon the Town Clerk receiving a Freedom of Information Request letter regarding such application. This same procedure will also be required when requesting copies of the Town Board or any other town public body minutes.

Regarding the executive sessions, they are only discussion and information sessions concerning legal matters and parameters which may be addressed, therefore no minutes are recorded as all final decisions have to be publicly announced and recorded in the regular board meeting minutes.

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F. Hogg ‑ Page 2-

However, past Freedom of Information requests have only addressed the official minutes of each meeting which were not available until after the next monthly meeting and the response was accomplished according to same.

The fee for reproduction of minutes on a citizen supplied disk shall remain in place as a result of a Town Board policy motion, at this time. We would appreciate new disks only to prevent any computer virus transmission.

If you have any additional concerns or questions, Don Armstrong and myself will be available to address them with you after our next Town Board meeting on February 12, 2001

Sincerely,

John M. Steger

Supervisor

 

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