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ZBA SEPTEMBER 2000 STORY ARCHIVE

 

Sometimes I wonder whether the world is being run by smart people who are putting us on or by imbeciles who really mean it.

---Mark Twain

This is the archive of stories in sequence about the Preble Town Boards attempt to illegally remove 2 ZBA members in the first half of September 2000

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OUTRAGEOUS!!!!

Is the Preble Town Board breaking the law?

YES!!!!!!

Preble Post Gazette 9/7/2000

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Town Board kicks two members off the ZBA!

FOR NO GOOD REASON!

At the ZBA meeting tonight ZBA attorney Francis Casullo instructed ZBA board members Carl Grillo and Barb Frier to sit in the audience. He was told to do this by his partner and Preble town attorney Don Armstrong. In my previous article I outlined why this action would be illegal. The Town Board sent both Carl and Barb vague letters dated the 21st but mailed to them on the 24th from Syracuse. Note the difference in the third and fourth paragraphs of Carl's letter Vs Barb's letter.

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After the ZBA meeting John Steger, town supervisor held an impromptu meeting on the sidewalk in front of the town hall. He was asked many times why this was done and could not give any reasonable answer. He seemed to say that they (the town board) were doing this because they could and that they wanted too. He had no response when challenged about this.

A lot happened at and after the meeting. Several lawyers are looking into the details and hopefully I can relate some of that here. There is a Town Board meeting this coming Monday at 8 PM. John Steger said they would vote to change the ZBA from 7 to 5 members and schedule a public hearing at that time.


I had a discussion with Anne Brennan in the hall after the meeting. I promised her I would put her letter from 1999 on the web. Here is Town Board Member Anne Brennan's famous...

SWINE LETTER


UPDATE #1 9AM 9/8/2000

TOWN BOARD MEMBERS DISRUPT MEETING.

Town Board members led by Anne Brennan and her friend Cindy along with town board members Betty Ann Pitman and Catherine Etinger disrupted the meeting by gabbing loudly making it difficult for people nearby to hear what was going on at the meeting. Apparently this is a common problem that has been brought to the attention of chairman Dan O'Shea but he, fearing the wrath of the town board I guess, has done nothing about it. This behavior by town board members is childish at best, disrespectful at worst and shows a serious contempt for the people of Preble. This report is according to people sitting around them.

UPDATE #2 11 AM 9/8/2000

Before the meeting last night Fran Casullo told Joe Oliver and I that he had been ordered by persons unnamed (Town Board? his boss Dan Armstrong?) to keep costs down with the ZBA. Does this mean that he will not properly defend the town's laws in order to save money? Or is it just another way for the Town Board to force its will on the people of Preble?

As the meeting was breaking up and people were standing up to leave I, sitting in the front row, leaned over to a friend of mine, referring to the three town board members in the back row, said in a voice low enough not to be heard 'There are three of the stupidest people in the world' Betty Ann Pitman said, 'I heard that!' (So much for my low voice) A short time later she came up to me and very angrily demanded an apology. I immediately obliged her. She went on saying that my comments were uncalled for. She is right. I didn't mean for my words to be heard by them and I apologized. Frank Hogg

Carl Grillo and Barb Frier both expressed there opinion that the only reason the Town Board removed them was because they did not like the way they voted. Several times I asked John Steger why they did this at this time and the only reason he could come up with was because the terms had run out. Even when it was pointed out to him that this had never been done before. He stuck to his script. Even though both Barb and Carl told him they wanted to serve on the board. He stuck to his script. Other ZBA board members expressed concern about how this was done. John simply said that the town board had the authority to do this and they were going to do this. He said they would have a public hearing and then vote on it, Barb asked him what would happen if the board voted to keep it a 7 member board and John was shocked. He never considered that. He acted as if the public hearing was just a formality and that the decision was already made. All 5 of them signed both barb and Carl's letter after all. All of the board members acted very arrogant. Like dictators, they were going to do whatever they damn well pleased and we, the public, don't matter. I told John that this was going to divide the town more than anything else they had done. He told me that they (town board) would get heat no matter what they did. He just didn't seem to care about what would happen. As a matter of fact Anne Brennan told me in the hall after the meeting that I 'just didn't matter'. I'll get the exact quote off the tape and post it later. I think she said this before she called me 'swine' but maybe it was after she called me 'swine' I don't remember exactly. I'll get that whole exchange transcribed later and post it. I guess that even though she was a schoolteacher she must have forgotten than a 'hog' with one 'g' is a 'swine' and that my last name 'Hogg' is a proud old English name. Calling me a swine in an attempt to insult me would only work if the insult came from someone that I respected. Besides with a name like 'Hogg' I'm used to these kinds of things. Although I haven't heard any since I left grade school... till now.

UPDATE #3 1 PM 9/8/2000

The ever interesting story of Dan O’Shea, chairman of the ZBA and the Town Board's puppet in chief.

At the sidewalk meeting both Carl and Barb asked John Steger why he did not talk to Dan O'Shea about this before doing it. They both said they had talked to Dan after they got their letters and Dan said he knew nothing about it. John said that he had TWO one-hour meetings with Dan 3 or 4 weeks ago about this. Hmmm He also said that Dan did not agree with it. By the way as soon as the meeting adjourned Dan disappeared. Can't blame him I guess.

Jennifer Molloy from the Cortland Standard was there last night and I think she will have a story in today's paper. You can usually get one in Tully after 3:30 PM at the drug store or the Nice and Easy. I will likely update this again this evening and over the weekend. Make a note to be at the Town Board meeting on Monday at 8 PM. See democracy in action.

I apologize for the slow server this morning. More people have accessed this site this morning than usual. That is why I made this all text page to reduce the load. It seems to have cleared things up.

I've been getting a lot of phone calls from people who heard about this. For that and other reasons this will be the last scheduled update today.

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The weekend was pretty quiet except for back room discussions of the Town Board. Then on Monday morning...

 

 

TOWN BOARD CAVES???

EARLY WORD TODAY (9/11/2000 noon) IS THE TOWN BOARD HAS DECIDED THAT IT SHOULD OBEY THE LAW AND LET BARB AND CARL SERVE OUT THE YEAR! IT APPEARS THEY DECIDED THIS 'AFTER' CHECKING WITH TOWN LAWYER DON ARMSTRONG. YOU WOULD THINK THAT THEY WOULD HAVE DONE THAT BEFORE KICKING BARB AND CARL OFF THE BOARD.

 

The following was posted by me after the Town Board meeting Monday night.

 

Do you remember Roseanne Rosanna-Dana from Saturday Night Live?

 Gilda Radner played this real dumb bimbo with frizzed hair who got something really wrong every show. When she was corrected, after making a complete fool of herself, she would look at Jane Curtain for a few seconds and say...

Never mind...


9/11/2000 Town Hall 8 PM Monthly meeting...

After a public hearing on closing down a road the meeting opened the normal way. The room was full. After a bit John Steger gave a prepared and short talk that said in essence...

 Never mind...

 It was all a big error, Don Armstrong, town lawyer for many years, apparently hadn't read the new updated law that has been in effect since... oh... the mid 90's or so. He didn't know for sure just when it went into effect. Opps... sorry 'bout that. Didn't mean to put the town through hell for a 5 days!

 Never mind...

 Seems the Town Board can't kick Carl and Barb off the ZBA after all. Those pesky laws keep getting in the way...

 Never mind...

 Sarcastic? ME? You bet I am. You would think that the Town Board would have the smarts to at least know the law. Don said there were so darn many of them he just couldn't remember them all. For crying out loud READ the book! It's not that big. His web site claims they specialize in town law and this is a statewide law. What kind of a law library does he have?  Three dog eared Superman comics and last year's phonebook!

 Ok Ok perhaps I'm being too harsh...

Naw... these guys have made fools out of Preble. A front-page story for crying out loud! They must think we're really stupid down in the big city of Cortland. Can't even do something really simple like this.

Ok Ok even though I waited several hours before I wrote this I just can't hold it back. This WAS a really REALLY dumb thing to do! The entire Town Board WITH Don Armstrong put this mess together and the ENTIRE Town Board WITH Don Armstrong should get ALL the credit for it.

 Never mind...

 

But wait... there's more...

 

They haven't ruled out dropping Carl and Barb from the board. They will make that decision later and they may just drop the whole thing. That is if between the five of them they can find a synapse or two that will still fire.

I predict they will just drop this and quietly reappoint Barb and Carl for another 5-year term. That is unless they like looking like complete and utter fools.

 Thanks for listening to my rant...

 I'll have a more comprehensive story about this later.

 Frank Hogg

9/11/2000

 

 

A reader responds to Don Armstrong's excuse for the ZBA ouster debacle...

He's lying

or

he's totally incompetent, to an unbelievable degree... the entire law having to do with ZBA organization is on one page... for how long have these dudes been representing ZBA's, where all the law appears on that one page?

Anonymous

 

For the moment the story is on hold... BUT I have confidence in the Preble Town Boards ability to screw this up again.

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